Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

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Tja, der Sommer steht ja praktisch schon in den Startlöchern, der Schweiß schießt mir bei den 13 Grad draussen aus den Poren, und wieder grübel ich über meine Klimaanlagenlösung, und hoffe, dass mir dieses Jahr geholfen wird

Ich suche eine Klimaanlage. Was leider nicht geht ist ein Splitgerät weil die Hausverwaltung unsere wunderschöne Fassade nicht verschandeln lässt (hässlicher, 40 Jahre alter Plattenbau, aber egal - hauptsache am Gebäudeblock dahinter der von der Gemeinde verwaltet wird, hängen Satschüsseln für ein ganzes Dorf).

Also bleibt nur die Variante Monoblock. Hab ich derzeit auch, allerdings doch schon in die Jahre gekommen (angeschafft irgendwann 2009?), und wie ich erst kürzlich, nachdem ich einige Vergleichsgeräte hören durfte, festgestellt habe auch ein fürchterlich lautes Modell.

Daher suche ich die "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" --> Monoblock der halbwegs leise ist, gut kühlt und natürlich so wenig wie möglich kostet. Interessant wären für mich auch Monoblockgeräte mit Zu- und Abluft (da ja Monoblockgeräte, zumindest meines, einen unglaublichen Unterdruck erzeugen und mir damit die warme Luft vom Vorzimmer und Co wieder ins Wohnzimmer ziehen, wurscht wie gut ich den Abluftschlauch abdichte) oder solche "Fake-Splitgeräte" wie ich die mal in Italien gesehen habe (2 dünne Schläuche zu einem externen Gerät das dann draussen steht).

Würd mich über Vorschläge dazu sehr freuen

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 22.03.2017, 12:17:23)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 12:23:22)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 22.03.2017, 12:24:19)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 12:26:48)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 22.03.2017, 13:44:23)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 23.03.2017, 11:23:52)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 13:20:41)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Beel_Zebub am 23.03.2017, 16:00:15)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Nomade1 am 23.03.2017, 16:42:08)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 21:51:20)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Beel_Zebub am 24.03.2017, 08:33:16)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 10:57:41)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 11:18:52)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Nomade1 am 24.03.2017, 11:50:00)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 11:56:37)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 12:32:12)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 23.03.2017, 17:59:42)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 21:52:32)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 24.03.2017, 11:17:03)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 12:30:25)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 24.03.2017, 13:37:17)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 13:50:01)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 21:58:23)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(SeCCi am 24.03.2017, 09:08:25)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 10:58:44)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Nomade1 am 24.03.2017, 10:29:22)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 11:02:13)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 11:07:05)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 11:17:37)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 12:33:04)

Re(13): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 12:57:36)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 24.03.2017, 12:59:11)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Nomade1 am 24.03.2017, 13:00:31)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 24.03.2017, 13:04:32)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Atschy am 24.03.2017, 11:26:17)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Fly am 22.03.2017, 14:22:33)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:53:11)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 24.03.2017, 23:13:47)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 25.03.2017, 12:13:23)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 25.03.2017, 18:43:55)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 25.03.2017, 18:56:03)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 25.03.2017, 19:19:11)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 25.03.2017, 19:33:07)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 26.03.2017, 12:32:26)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 26.03.2017, 13:16:16)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 26.03.2017, 15:02:04)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 27.03.2017, 23:20:44)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 27.03.2017, 23:23:25)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 28.03.2017, 08:45:34)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 28.03.2017, 10:01:35)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paulas_Papa am 28.03.2017, 10:31:30)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 28.03.2017, 10:52:10)

Re(13): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Dr4ch3 am 28.03.2017, 11:20:36)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 28.03.2017, 11:50:26)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 28.03.2017, 11:51:58)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 28.03.2017, 14:46:34)

Re(17): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 28.03.2017, 20:27:13)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 29.03.2017, 03:24:42)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 30.03.2017, 09:47:35)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 31.03.2017, 07:58:20)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SexualRabbit am 27.03.2017, 23:11:12)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(AVS_reloaded am 25.03.2017, 19:18:28)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (thE am 03.08.2017, 12:46:37)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Sven.U am 27.03.2017, 12:21:38)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 27.03.2017, 14:43:18)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 27.03.2017, 14:47:18)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven.U am 27.03.2017, 15:13:32)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 27.03.2017, 15:36:36)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 27.03.2017, 15:28:45)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 27.03.2017, 15:38:55)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 27.03.2017, 22:57:08)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 27.03.2017, 23:08:41)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven.U am 28.03.2017, 07:50:55)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 28.03.2017, 10:28:48)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 22.03.2017, 12:21:36)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 12:25:35)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 22.03.2017, 12:29:48)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 13:02:22)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 22.03.2017, 13:31:34)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (edi666.com am 22.03.2017, 15:19:34)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 22.03.2017, 18:41:50)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:54:34)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (-Transformer2K- am 23.03.2017, 09:46:42)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 09:58:13)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (-Transformer2K- am 23.03.2017, 10:24:55)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 10:48:09)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (-Transformer2K- am 23.03.2017, 10:57:33)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 23.03.2017, 11:15:18)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (mko am 23.03.2017, 23:45:42)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (-Transformer2K- am 24.03.2017, 06:28:52)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(user563062 am 25.03.2017, 19:19:55)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 22.03.2017, 18:43:19)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 22.03.2017, 13:06:31)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:55:10)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 22.03.2017, 14:06:54)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 22.03.2017, 14:19:07)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:55:50)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Fly am 22.03.2017, 14:29:12)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(hellbringer am 22.03.2017, 14:41:41)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Fly am 22.03.2017, 14:48:40)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 22.03.2017, 14:51:33)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Fly am 22.03.2017, 15:42:34)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:58:08)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (KritziKracksi am 22.03.2017, 16:34:59)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 22.03.2017, 20:59:34)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (KritziKracksi am 24.03.2017, 11:42:48)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Paradoxon am 25.03.2017, 11:20:40)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 26.03.2017, 12:49:59)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Atschy am 27.03.2017, 18:22:11)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven.U am 28.03.2017, 07:57:38)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Superflo am 28.03.2017, 12:14:23)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven.U am 28.03.2017, 12:46:25)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Superflo am 28.03.2017, 13:23:10)

Passivhaus

Beim letzten Einfamilienhaus solchiger Natur bei dem ich planerisch mitgewirkt habe, haben wir eine Zu- und Ab-Luft-Anlage eingebaut, bei der der Abluft die Wärme mit einer Wärmepumpe entzogen wird und die Frischluft damit wieder aufgeladen wird.
Die Zuluft haben wir folgendermaßen geführt:
Rohre mit Durchmesser 400 mm;
Nach der Ansaugöffnung in 120cm Höhe haben wir die Leitung unter der Kellerbodenplatte 28 Meter lang in Schlangen geführt -> UK Zuluft-Rohr = 100cm unter der UK der Bodenplatte;
erst danach gelangte die frische Zuluft zum zentralen Lüftungs-Gerät.

(Durch die Grundwasser-Situation in diesem Arial haben wir das Haus auf eine Stahlbetonplatte gestellt und die Fertigteil-Betonwand-Teile zu einer wasserdichten Kellergeschoß-Wanne geformt. Durch Verschmelzung von Kunststoff mit Heizdraht-Einlagen - wie bei GEBERIT-Kanalrohren - haben wir die einzelnen Betonteile gegeneinander gedichtet. Nach mehreren Tagen Regen liegt die Kellergeschoß-Wanne im Wasser - Wasserspiegel etwas 15cm über Kellergeschoß-Niveau -> langsam senkt sich dann der Wasserspiegel wieder um etwa 170cm.)

Durch diese tiefliegende lange Rohrführung im Boden wird die Zuluft im Sommer hinreichend gekühlt und im Winter vorgewärmt !!!

28.03.2017, 19:39 Uhr - Editiert von Atschy, alte Version: hier

[ Dieser Beitrag wurde inzwischen editiert. Die aktuelle Version befindet sich hier. ]

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 28.03.2017, 19:28:19)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 28.03.2017, 20:02:04)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Dr4ch3 am 28.03.2017, 11:18:47)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 28.03.2017, 22:42:21)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(Dr4ch3 am 30.03.2017, 09:12:56)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 28.03.2017, 23:01:39)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 30.03.2017, 09:46:54)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Mitsuhatzer am 31.03.2017, 23:05:10)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 02.04.2017, 18:52:30)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Mitsuhatzer am 02.04.2017, 22:11:55)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 03.04.2017, 10:14:57)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (SeCCi am 03.04.2017, 12:25:56)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Mitsuhatzer am 03.04.2017, 21:53:23)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 04.04.2017, 08:46:43)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Mitsuhatzer am 25.06.2017, 18:28:05)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 19.07.2017, 11:05:35)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 19.07.2017, 21:19:36)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 20.07.2017, 15:48:34)

(Mig29 am 01.04.2017, 22:48:40)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 02.04.2017, 18:55:34)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 03.04.2017, 10:11:20)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 03.04.2017, 10:30:09)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 04.04.2017, 08:53:21)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 19.07.2017, 17:17:25)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 19.07.2017, 18:10:39)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Atschy am 20.07.2017, 10:29:34)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 20.07.2017, 15:50:12)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Nomade1 am 20.07.2017, 17:03:21)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (user563062 am 20.07.2017, 22:13:07)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 21.07.2017, 09:57:14)

Re: The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (ramski am 19.07.2017, 21:46:37)

Re(2): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 20.07.2017, 16:03:04)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 20.07.2017, 16:07:48)

Re(4): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 20.07.2017, 16:12:13)

Re(5): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 20.07.2017, 16:33:56)

Re(6): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 20.07.2017, 16:49:27)

Re(7): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 20.07.2017, 17:00:42)

Re(8): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 21.07.2017, 09:56:43)

Re(9): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven20 am 28.07.2017, 20:04:08)

Re(10): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 28.07.2017, 20:20:03)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven20 am 28.07.2017, 20:23:14)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 28.07.2017, 20:32:04)

Re(13): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven20 am 28.07.2017, 20:47:28)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 28.07.2017, 20:58:38)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 02.08.2017, 16:30:51)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 16:58:13)

Re(17): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 02.08.2017, 22:06:16)

Re(18): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 23:23:24)

Re(19): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 03.08.2017, 15:35:23)

Re(20): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 03.08.2017, 16:00:03)

Re(21): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 03.08.2017, 16:39:07)

Re(22): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 03.08.2017, 17:29:15)

Re(23): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 04.08.2017, 07:23:58)

Re(24): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 04.08.2017, 13:04:47)

Re(25): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 04.08.2017, 13:42:37)

Re(26): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 04.08.2017, 13:50:00)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 02.08.2017, 18:43:57)

Re(17): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 18:59:31)

Re(18): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage

(frabos am 02.08.2017, 19:11:43)

Re(19): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 19:26:08)

Re(19): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 21:04:12)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 17:21:34)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 17:32:20)

Re(17): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 17:43:28)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (hellbringer am 28.07.2017, 20:58:47)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Sven20 am 28.07.2017, 21:02:27)

Re(13): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 17:20:08)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 17:36:59)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 17:44:34)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 18:19:37)

Re(17): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 18:41:45)

Re(18): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 19:04:36)

Re(19): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 02.08.2017, 21:03:29)

Re(20): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 23:13:13)

Re(21): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (AVS_reloaded am 03.08.2017, 08:31:52)

Re(11): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 02.08.2017, 16:24:31)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Freller am 02.08.2017, 16:38:33)

Re(12): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 02.08.2017, 18:40:48)

Re(13): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 02.08.2017, 22:08:17)

Re(14): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 03.08.2017, 00:31:19)

Re(15): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (Dr4ch3 am 03.08.2017, 15:48:51)

Re(16): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (frabos am 03.08.2017, 21:49:11)

Re(3): The same procedure as every year: Klimaanlage (ramski am 20.07.2017, 19:04:39)

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